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[Knyght]

I have a Commando 2D with streaks and ECM. It's ridiculously effective, I'm usually top of my team and in the top 2 or 3 for damage/kills.

The setup goes something like this:

3x SSRM2, 3x ammo
XL180
3x heatsinks (min required for engine)
ECM
Endo + Ferro
AMS + 1 ton ammo.

As is, I have speed tweak so it goes around 128kph I think?

I'm thinking I might swap out the AMS for an XL195 which will replace the AMS + ammo. Then I can put on either an extra ton of ammo (I sometimes run out) or another heat sink, which is only really going to be useful for Caustic Valley.

The AMS mostly gets around 85% used during a standard game, so it's doing something. I think it's probably useful more for my teammates than for me though. I'm not sure the tradeoff is worth it just to get to 138kph, , and it's a pretty expensive engine swap. So any thoughts on if this is a good idea?

Cheers.

[Kaspirikay]

don't bother with ams, your ECM takes care of most missiles. Use the 195.

[Davers]

Yeah, your AMS is probably all being wasted shooting at SRMs. Go for the bigger engine.

[chrispalasz]

At this point, that build can be considered "old", as everyone and their dog knows about it... only thing is - as others have pointed out - the standard build for 2D is with no AMS and an XL195 engine... oh, and one ML.

Yes it's effective. I have a commando 2D fully decked out with this build and I just finished getting elite status for him and 2 other commandos so now I'm working on the master slot.

As of now, my guy runs 139kph (because of the speed tweek)

YES, everyone who uses this build is cheap and annoying. hah... but you gotta fight fire with fire sometimes. I'm not particularly proud of myself.

[Kaspirikay]

chrispalasz, on 26 December 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

At this point, that build can be considered "old", as everyone and their dog knows about it... only thing is - as others have pointed out - the standard build for 2D is with no AMS and an XL195 engine... oh, and one ML. Yes it's effective. I have a commando 2D fully decked out with this build and I just finished getting elite status for him and 2 other commandos so now I'm working on the master slot. As of now, my guy runs 139kph (because of the speed tweek) YES, everyone who uses this build is cheap and annoying. hah... but you gotta fight fire with fire sometimes. I'm not particularly proud of myself.

No, you're doing what good players do. Adapt. Thats what everyone has been telling me when I complained about ECM.

Now I have a DDC and a 2D. Already got Elite for my DDC, just getting it for my 2D now.

[Davers]

Not sure if 'adapt' is the right word. Maybe 'conform' or 'copy'.

But honestly, if you enjoy piloting the build it's fine. Just don't pilot it because you feel you have to.

[Dasht e Lut]

I run with the xl195 and 10 heatsinks. Also have speed tweak so I get, i think, 138.5kph?

You're right, only real problem is Caustic as far as heat goes.

Lose the AMS. Useless for you. Pretty much one missile volley and you're splashed anyway.

FF armor, Endo structure, and no DHS. Also MLAS and as much ssrm ammo as you can (which isn't much... Pick your targets and shoot conservatively. Wait... you know this. Sorry.)

And have fun!

Edited by Dasht e Lut, 26 December 2012 - 08:28 PM.

[Mechwarrior5138008]

This is proof that a commando can be more than just useful in this game.

tripping will separate the men from the boys, though, so if you are only doing it because 'everyone else is', save your c-bills for something you'll be able to pilot that isnt so dangerous to those around you.

[Blark]

Rayj, on 26 December 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

This is proof that a commando can be more than just useful in this game.

tripping will separate the men from the boys, though, so if you are only doing it because 'everyone else is', save your c-bills for something you'll be able to pilot that isnt so dangerous to those around you.

I agree, the removal of knockdowns has made playing light exceptionally easy.

btw: I use the standard build for the 2D ECM Com-2D , Its great fun, but I feel that my raven is still way more versatile: ECM-Raven.

[Mahws]

Not sure why anyone bothers with the ML, far better off with TAG, the reduced lock on time for your SSRM is a godsend. Doesn't hurt that it helps bring some allied LRM love down on whoever you're fighting as well.

[Blark]

Mahws, on 26 December 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

Not sure why anyone bothers with the ML, far better off with TAG, the reduced lock on time for your SSRM is a godsend. Doesn't hurt that it helps bring some allied LRM love down on whoever you're fighting as well.

Tag is indeed nice, but my reason for taking a Sl is to have some kind of a backup weapon when I run out of ammo (which I do sometimes in a good game).. it's depressing to run around weapon-less, especially if you are the last guy around and the one enemy left is almost dead

[SkyCake]

so after two plus weeks of ECM/streak, countless months of STREAKS!!!! what is this post for>??? this thread is pure mastuerbati0n!!! a monkey could have success with this build... anyone that uses streak/ecm combo is not only bads, they are assuring they will be bads way into the future.... this is the time to find builds/techniques that will be able to succed past the netcode fix, not gloat about how awesome they are at hitting the "I WIN" button!!! netcode fix is going to wreck your crappy mechs

[Rifter]

Yeah my 2D is my "if you cant beat em join em" mech. For those days when the lagshield is just so bad a raven can take more damage than 2 atlas put together.

[Foksuh]

Might as well go for XL 200, rather than 195. Bit more speed and you get that additional heatsink, only need 2 additional ones, rather than 3. 129 stock speed without any bonuses.

You'll still have plenty of free tons to play with to pick up weapons. I'd forget the AMS since you're already running the ECM, plus you got to speed to either avoid the missiles completely or run into cover before you get blasted.

[PANZERBUNNY]

Kaspirikay, on 26 December 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

No, you're doing what good players do. Adapt. Thats what everyone has been telling me when I complained about ECM.

Now I have a DDC and a 2D. Already got Elite for my DDC, just getting it for my 2D now.

So you adapted to ECM by using ECM yourself?

Astonishing reasoning skills you seem to have.

Join the herd?

[Kaspirikay]

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 December 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

So you adapted to ECM by using ECM yourself? Astonishing reasoning skills you seem to have. Join the herd?

Yes.

[PiemasterXL]

Commando's are the annoying little chimps of the battlefield, they go-off like fireworks and it makes me happy.

[Kaijin]

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 December 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

So you adapted to ECM by using ECM yourself?

Astonishing reasoning skills you seem to have.

Join the herd?

sheep and wolves

same as it ever was

[Blark]

Foksuh, on 26 December 2012 - 10:42 PM, said:

Might as well go for XL 200, rather than 195. Bit more speed and you get that additional heatsink, only need 2 additional ones, rather than 3. 129 stock speed without any bonuses.

You'll still have plenty of free tons to play with to pick up weapons. I'd forget the AMS since you're already running the ECM, plus you got to speed to either avoid the missiles completely or run into cover before you get blasted.

Problem is that you still need half a ton more, so if you still want 3ssrm2/3t ammo and at least a sl you'll have to drop armor (which is a no-go for the com. imo, it is squishy as hell as it is).

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 December 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

[..]
Join the herd?

Lets face it: PGI wants us to join the herd
ecm/streak light > any other light

Edited by Blark, 26 December 2012 - 11:36 PM.

[Cerebelli]

PANZERBUNNY, on 26 December 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

So you adapted to ECM by using ECM yourself?

Astonishing reasoning skills you seem to have.

Join the herd?

I refuse to do so, and my stats suffer for it. It's eat or be eaten, at this point.